Nigel Farage is not the only candidate standing against Speaker Bercow! Meet ‘The Independent Candidate’

Posted on October 29th, 2009 in Guest Blog, Speaker | 4,302 Comments »

Nigel Farage may have grabbed the headlines when he announced he was breaking centuries of Parliamentary convention and challenging Speaker Bercow for the seat of Buckingham.  Much chatter has remained about the possibility of an Independent Candidate emerging to challenge them both.  Independent candidates could play a big role in the next election as anger continues over MP’s expenses and with Parliament failing to sanction tough action against some of the worst offenders, fury remains in the country at large.  Speaker Bercow announced this week that MP’s who ‘flipped’ their second homes to maximise their expenses or avoided paying capital gains tax will escape censure under the Official House of Commons enquiry.  That means MP’s like Elliot Morley and David Chaytor who claimed thousands for ‘phantom mortgages’ have been given the all clear by Sir Thomas Legg.  Oh and another ‘flipper’, John Bercow, wont be penalised…worth mentioning that!

Today’s guest blog is from Patrick Phillips, the man that both Bercow and Farage will come to hear much more from in the coming weeks and months.  It goes without saying that come election results night, Buckingham will certainly be a Constituency that the media will be keeping a close eye on and reporting widely.  When Patrick got in touch telling me he was standing and the reasons why, it made sense for a Guest Blog so you readers could hear his story and pass your own judgement.  A story of how a Conservative voter felt he needed to take action.   Over to you Patrick…….

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Guest Blog: Patrick Phillips

An Independent’s Story

You can imagine the scene – a mid-June, midweek, friendly supper party in a private house in a small village near Princes Risborough in Buckinghamshire. Lots of the usual chit chat but then a disgruntled voice sounds out bemoaning the fact the area in which most of those present live was going to be the subject of a boundary change at the forthcoming election. They were going to be moved from Aylesbury where their current MP was the popular and well regarded David Lidington, and become part of, as she put it, the ghastly Bercow’s flock at Buckingham.  And was it true – what she had heard – that he was putting himself up for Speaker, and if he were to be elected to that office he would be re-elected unopposed at the next election, which meant that all of those present together with some further 70,000 odd electors at Buckingham would be denied a vote at the election? 

“Well, yes”, said the host, “there is the convention that the major political parties in the House of Commons do not field candidates against a sitting speaker. But,” he continued, “I am pretty sure an Independent could stand and force a vote. They certainly have stood in the past”. 

“But what sort of person would be prepared to do that?”, asked another, “he’d have to be mad, wouldn’t he”. 

It was at that moment that either temporary madness or a rush of blood to head took over and I found myself saying, “Well if nobody else better qualified comes forward prepared to do it, I might just do so myself”. 

Fast forward to Monday 22ndJune and the Speaker’s hustings in the House of Commons culminating in the 322 to 271 vote victory for John Bercow over Sir George Young. Within minutes of the result being announced the phone rang. It was my host from the supper party. “Is your money still where your mouth was”, he enquired – straight to the point. My response was equally direct. “Money and mouth are still co-located”. 

And so began the current adventure to stand at Buckingham as an Independent. If any encouragement was needed it came within a couple of days when Mr Bercow was reported as saying he expected to remain as Speaker for ONLY about nine years, presumably the remainder of the current parliament and then the next two. Perhaps, I thought, he doth presume too much, and my determination hardened.  

Two days later e-mailed letters were sent to various organs of the press giving them this hot story, “The Speaker’s seat will be contested” backed up by my credentials, local man, has lived forty years in the constituency, former High Sheriff of Buckinghamshire, President of local Buckinghamshire charity and so on. Result zippo! At least to begin with. 

Over the next weekend I managed to make contact with a certain parliamentary sketch writer who passed on my news to the London Evening Standard who ran the story as the lead in that day’s Londoner’s Diary, and on July 1stthe Daily Mail printed my letter on their letters page. Back in Buckinghamshire I got a fair crack of the whip from the Aylesbury based “Bucks Herald” who ran profiles of myself, John Bercow, and a UKIP PPC, Dave Fowler who has subsequently been replaced by Nigel Farage. But other than this nothing. 

Problem. With a constituency twenty five  miles North to South and about twenty East – West containing just three towns, Buckingham, Winslow and Princes Risborough but  eighty-five villages, how does an Independent, with no party machine or indeed any organisation at all to start with, spread the word of one’s candidature. Trying to get the national press (to say nothing of the BBC) to acknowledge one’s presence is like pushing with a piece of string, and just as frustrating. So we have adopted a direct grassroots approach using e-mail and the internet including now (hopefully) the blogosphere. 

E-mails, and where e-mail addresses were not available, letters, have been sent to each of the constituency’s parish councils, telling them two things. Firstly about the parliamentary convention which meant that contrary to past elections there would almost certainly be no Conservative, Labour or Liberal-Democrat standing at Buckingham, and why; and secondly that I would be offering myself as a candidate (and being a fair minded bloke, that Mr. Farage would be doing so as well). Similarly I have set off a form of chain e-mail carrying the same message to private individuals. 

To augment those communications a website www.phillips4buckingham.co.uk has been set up so people can get a flavour of who I am, what I believe in, and my views on some of the salient issues of the day. This is important because as an Independent, and thus not a member of any political party, one does not have the benefit of a formal manifesto with specific policies spelt out on which to stake one’s pitch. Nor is it easy to find a label by which one’s position in the left-right political spectrum can be easily identified. Electoral Law prohibits me calling myself an “Independent Conservative”, but I think anybody who has known me for any length of time would agree that I can be fairly described as “conservatively minded”. My views are of the centre-right and as regards Europe I am definitely Eurosceptic. 

So what do I offer the electors of Buckingham?.  

I offer myself as someone who shares their predominantly conservative views, and as a receptacle for the votes of those disillusioned with Mr Bercow and those not wishing to see UKIP establish a beachhead on this bluest of blue territory. (The memories of Orpington and how long it took to win back that seat after a by-election loss to Liberal, Eric Lubbock, all those years ago is illustrative of that danger) 

I also offer a return to normality at the election after the coming one. It is not my aim to become a career politician and if elected would only expect to serve one term. 

And finally, if elected, I would support a change to the Speaker’s convention that can disenfranchise a whole constituency. I would support a proposition that when a new Speaker is elected by MPs, he or she should be assigned to a nominal constituency (the name St Stephens has sometimes been mooted), and a by-election take place in his or hers old constituency. The irony of this is, of course, that if that were now to be the case, I would not be doing what I am. But this is now and that is , perhaps, for the future. 

Watch this space, it could prove to be a interesting story, away from the main battlefield at the next election and the bookies have no idea how to call it. 

Patrick Phillips

 

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Why does Mr Speaker need a personal Spin Doctor?

Posted on September 9th, 2009 in Speaker | 4,047 Comments »

The man to clean up Politics and ensure we get value for money…has hired a personal spin doctor for £100,000….on the British tax payers!  You could not even make this one up!  Sometimes I wonder if we are being taken for fools.  Is Bercow deliberately trying to make us hate him?

Why oh why does The Speaker of the House of Commons need a personal spin doctor?  Do you see this as value for money?  This is the first time a Speaker has ever employed a ‘special advisor’.

The Daily Telegraph reports that: Tim Hames, a former Times journalist, will be paid paid between £87,000 and £107,000 a year to work as the Speaker’s “special adviser”. Among his duties will be raising Bercow’s personal profile.  Hames duties will include the creation of a “broader external role for the Speaker”. He will also assist the Speaker in framing hte Commons response to recommendations on MP’s Expenses made by Sir Christopher Kelly, the sleaze watchdog.

I cant see this washing well with the public.  As Cameron challenges with anything like this.  Does it feel right for the public?  Does it pass the public snift test?  I think not!  Do you?

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Should an Independent Conservative Stand in Buckingham?

Posted on September 4th, 2009 in Conservatives, General Election | 4,052 Comments »

Earlier today, Tim Montgomerie carried a story on ConservativeHome stating, ‘A senior source at CCHQ tells me that John Bercow will not be an official Conservative candidate at the General Election and party members will not therefore be required to vote for him. The party does, however, regard the whole Farage versus Bercow clash as a big headache.  They worry that it will give UKIP a big publicity boost (it already has) and that this could undermine the chances of Tory candidates in seats where leakage to UKIP could be the difference between victory and defeat’.  Please read Tim’s article here.  http://tinyurl.com/mfdscy

CCHQ have since issued a statement stating:  “The Conservative Party supports the Speaker. We support the convention that the Speaker stands without a party label and is unopposed. We urge other parties to hold to this convention. We hope the Speaker will be re-elected, and we urge voters in Buckingham to support him.”

Obviously the Party had to issue such a statement.  They have no choice.  They have to abide by convention.  We would expect nothing else from our Party.  I support their stance 100 per cent.

However, it is clear that Farage has played a PR masterclass here.  Many Conservatives will be tempted by Farage, especially when he gets his slick PR machine in action in Buckingham.  His public speaking, (brilliant orator), and a strong likability factor will come across well.  Bercow won’t be able to say a word or campaign at all.  How can he?  He is neutral.  So Farage will be able to dominate the media, with no reply from Bercow. 

It is fascinating reading the leading Conservative blogs these past 2 days.  Be it the comments threads on Conservative Home, Iain Dale, Dizzy, Tory Bear, all show a lot of anger towards Bercow and many say they would not only vote for UKIP and Farage, (if they had the vote), but they would actually help campaign for him.  Conservatives campaign for UKIP?!!!!  Dizzy even says as his lead ‘Go Nigel, Go’.

Tim is right to state that this would cause the Conservative Leadership a headache, especially should Farage win.  I don’t know about you but as a Conservative through and through, I don’t want to see our votes naturally go elsewhere.  I don’t want to see our supporters campaign for opposition parties.  That feels alien for a lifelong Conservative.

So what option?  Well, given the Conservative Leadership cannot endorse anyone apart from a Bercow win,  should the grassroots consider an Independent Conservative Candidate to stand in Buckingham?  Bercow is now an independent.  Buckingham needs a Conservative voice and a choice.  The furore over MP’s expenses still hurts.  The people of Buckingham, despite electing Bercow with a large majority, will be angry that he was caught up and central in the expenses scandal.  How can they vent their voice?  It is fine for Bercow to be holier than vow now and claim to be the man to clean up politics….but he was ‘flipping’ homes and claiming maximum home allowance.  Yes he repaid money.  But just because the school bully smashes you in the face and then later says sorry, does not lessen the offence and the original motives.  Bercow’s gut reaction was to maximise his expense claims.  That was his inclination.  He was taking tax payers money.  Do the people of Buckingham appreciate that?  Do they have a voice? 

Hence Nigel Farage will exploit Bercow and his past for all it’s worth.  We know that natural Conservative supporters feel little respect for Bercow. He gained the speakership by the wholesome support of a vindictive Labour Party.  Few Conservatives voted for him.  It was a well known rumour he had switched faster than a Mike Tyson uppercut from Thatcherite to close to defecting to Labour.  How can we be loyal to a figure that showed no loyalty to us? 

So whats the best action?  Is it for an Independent Conservative Candidate to stand in Buckingham?  Now some will say this could split the Conservative vote between Bercow and the Independent and allow Farage through.  However, this is a slim chance.  Also it plays to Cameron’s belief in democracy and local people taking a decision.  Buckingham deserves the choice of a Conservative and a Conservative free from the baggage of expenses and defection claims.

So….what do you think? Do we need an Independent Conservative to stand?  We cannot see Conservative supporters vote for other parties.  It is not right.  Agree?  Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

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Farage v Bercow: Would you vote UKIP if you lived in Buckingham?

Posted on September 3rd, 2009 in Conservatives, Politics, Speaker | 4,087 Comments »

Any reader of this site knows I am not a fan of Speaker Bercow.  I have been critical of his election to the role, (by majority of Labour MP’s and very few Conservative supporters), his changing of the traditions of Parliament, (eg Speaker’s dressage and plans for upheaving centuries of tradition with new procedures in the House), and his attitude in the role, (very patronising and arrogant).  I also frown on the way he has treated the Conservative Party.  It is well rumoured he was planning a defection to the Labour Party and the seismic shift in his political philosophy from right of Thatcher surging faster than Usian Bolt at full stride…to the Left, is either the greater conversion ever on the road to Damascus or purely political opportunism.  You decide.  So I struggle to have any loyalty to a man who I perceive did not treat our Party honourably in recent years.  Please correct me if I am wrong in my views.

So news come today that Nigel Farage, MEP and Leader of UKIP will be standing against Speaker Bercow at the next election in Buckingham.  A tough act for Farage given it is one of the safest Conservative Seats in the country with a Majority of 13,325.  Readers will know that I suggested that Esther Rantzen would be better positioned to challenge Bercow than stand in Luton.  There are also credible rumours of an Independent Conservative standing for the seat.

By convention, no Party fields a candidate against a sitting Speaker.  But Farage is going to break that convention.

Nigel told the Daily Telegraph today: “This man represents all that is wrong with British politics today. He was embroiled in the expenses saga and he presides over a Parliament that virtually does nothing. He is not a Conservative and yet he is sitting in one of the safest Conservative seats in the country. It means the people of Buckingham cannot vote for a Conservative even if they want to. This is a part of England where we did very well in the European elections and local elections. We are very well organised and strong and I intend to fight this very hard to become the MP.”

This makes it a whole new ball game.  Labour and Lib Dems will now have to consider their response and whether to field candidates.

This makes it hard for us Conservatives.  I am sure the Conservative Leadership would value the chance for fresh Speakership elections in the new Parliament, hence having more say in the role, than the mockery of a Bercow, elected by pure Labour vindictiveness to elect a Speaker they knew us Conservatives would not want. 

So, Bercow is now in effect an Independent candidate.  Whilst he came from the Conservative Party, he no longer speaks with a Conservative tongue.  He cannot as he has to remain neutral.  Therefore, as Farage is standing, the people of Buckingham now have the beginning of choice.  Other parties may follow.  If Labour and the Lib Dems follow suit and decide to field candidates, then the only Party with no voice is the Conservatives.  How bizarre is that?   Bercow is technically Conservative but will not be representing the Party as he has to now remain neutral.  So perhaps we have to consider fielding a true Conservative candidate.  This will undermine Bercow and may be in danger of splitting the Conservative vote.  But that is a decision for Cameron to take.

Oh how I wish Dan Hannan could throw his hat into the ring.

If you were a voter in Buckingham, and the choice boiled purely down to Bercow and Farage, which way would you go?  Whilst I am Conservative to the core, (voted Conservative all my life)…I can see why people will be mightily tempted to vote Farage.  If they do, should we see that as disloyalty? 

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Should Esther Rantzen stand against Speaker Bercow in Buckinghamshire?

Posted on August 5th, 2009 in Speaker | 3,734 Comments »

Esther Rantzen in Luton

As we all know, Esther Rantzen still intends to stand at the next election, in Luton South, following the local MP Margaret Moran standing down after she was caught up in the tornado of MP’s expense claims and sleaze.  However Esther’s strategy is now badly misconstrued.  Margaret Moran is going.  Vanishing into the distance.  Her cause there is no more.  What will be left is a selection of honourable candidates in Luton South, representing all parties, standing in 2010 for a new look Parliament.  I could not speak more highly of the integrity and ethics of the Conservative PPC Nigel Huddleston.  A man who typifies the new Parliament and should be elected to take his seat on the green benches. But Esther’s campaign is left rudderless in this constituency.

142 Target Nigel Huddleston

Hence, if Esther really is passionate about representing the people and championing a new look Parliament, her time may be best served standing in a seat where she can make a real difference.  Test real ethics.  Send a strong message across the nation.  What better way than standing against John Bercow at the next election?

By Parliamentary convention, political Parties, (major political Parties), do not field candidates against the Speaker of the House of Commons.  The Speaker, by tradition, has a free run into the next Parliament. 

As Speaker Bercow consistently demonstrates, traditions are there to be changed.  He has already decided to move away from established traditions in his office.  Whilst I abide by the tradition that the major Poilitical Parties should not field a candidate against Bercow, there is absolutely no reason why Esther Rantzen should not stand against him in Buckingham.

Given Bercow has stated that he wishes to be the man leading the clean up of British Politics, Esther can campaign in Buckingham on this very issue.  She can test public approval for the work that Bercow is doing.  Is he going far enough in his cleaning up of Parliament?  Does his own reputation feel right as the person leading the charge on behalf of MP’s?  Surely this matches more closely the ideals and goals that Esther herself set when she initially announced she was to stand against Margaret Moran?  Bercow will not be happy with this suggestion but in the words of Esther…..’That’s Life’!

Esther would do well to remember that John Bercow himself was caught up in the expenses claim furore.  The Daily Telegraph disclosed that Bercow “flipped” the designation of his second home between London and his constituency when he sold two houses in the space of a year, enabling him to avoid paying capital gains tax (CGT) on the profits from either sale.   Bercow denied any wrongdoing but repaid £6,508 plus VAT to HM Revenue & Customs to cover the tax he could have been asked to pay on the sale of one of the homes.  He also paid back £1,470.62 that he claimed on his office expenses for accountants’ services in helping him complete his tax return.  Bercow has claimed close to the maximum second home allowance in each of the past four years.  His files show he charged taxpayers £1,050 most months in mortgage interest payments on the property, as well as £350 on service charges. In January 2008 he claimed £1,327 for repairs to the central heating that included the supply of a “digital wireless room thermostat”. He also claimed £264 for plumbing and £933 for repairs to his bathroom and a sink.  And as disclosed today, he has ordered a series of alterations, redecoration and new furnishings for his rent-free home in the Palace of Westminster, including a new £7,500+ sofa!

Does this all feel right from the man cleaning up politics?  Does Bercow pass the fabled Cameron public test of does ’that feels right’. 

The people at the next election of Buckingham have NO CHOICE about Speaker Bercow if no other candidates stand against him.  These are special times….shouldn’t they be allowed that choice…a voice to be heard.  Maybe Esther will rally to their cause.

The voice of the people can be heard Esther.  Would this not be a better use of your campaigning zeal?  Even if your announcement to stand is a PR stunt and you don’t intend to stand in Luton South, surely the PR of standing against the Speaker, further enhances your reason to stand here and generate the PR you thrive on.  (And you will just love Buckingham).

If of course Esther would win the seat, (and the odds would be high), then new elections for the office of Speaker would have to take place.  Another useful taste of democracy for the new Parliament, (which will be radically different from the make up of this Parliament).

Awaiting your response Esther……:)  I am sure the people of Buckingham would love to hear your views and would treat you as nicely, if not better, than the constituents of Luton South!  They of course only have the one candidate and choice to them may be just what the doctor ordered! 

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Pay rise=£79,794. Free Apartment in House. £20,659 expenses. Jokes on us!

Posted on August 5th, 2009 in Politics, Speaker | 4,047 Comments »

I have to admit I was in two minds posting this article.  I have in the past been accused of attacking and disagreeing with Speaker Bercow on a too frequent basis.  Hence I thought long and hard about another critical post.  But this issue has annoyed me so much it shows that the ‘man who will clean up politics’ is desperately out of touch with reality.  So much so I had to pinch myself that this was a real story and not a joke.

When reading this story, please remember three things.  1) John Bercow has had a hefty payrise from £64,766 to £144,520, (his full potential salary but he maybe claiming the same as Speaker Martin of £141,868 but Bercow is refusing to reveal, hence lets presume the higher figure as he feels embarrassed to disclose).  Hence this is an increase in his pay of: £79,794.  (More than double!).  2) John has an apartment just down the road from the House, (which he used to claim 2nd homes allowance for but has now stopped).  3) The Speaker’s Apartment he now resides in is rent free.  That paints the scene.

Lead story in the Daily Telegraph today, (where else :) ), is the Speaker is having his lavish grace-and-favour apartment, (ie freebie),  in the Palace of Westminster refurbished at a cost of £20,659.36 to the tax payer.  Yes this is the man who in the wake of the expenses row promised to clean up the reputation of politics.

Bercow to his credit stopped claiming for his second home allowance, (no need really with a grace-and-favour freebie apartment in the Palace).  John claims that the costs of refurbishment are because he has a young family and needs to child proof his home, hence a study in the grand apartment, is being converted to a playroom.

A playroom in the Speaker’s Apartments.  This begs some interesting questions.  Speaker Bercow is presuming he will be the Speaker post the next election, otherwise why make these changes now?  He has a perfectly good apartment just down the road from the House, where his kids will have a great home environment already fostered.  So why the need to make changes now?  There is a chance he may not be in the role after the election.  Maybe a new Speaker in 10 months time would not want kids playrooms and then charge the tax payer to re-convert them back!  What a waste.  What a poor sense of timing!

Many would question John’s timing.  He obviously, the moment he was elected Speaker, set straight about altering and improving the Speaker’s Apartments.  The Daily Telegraph shows that the work listed below has been completed and the Speaker is in the process of claiming expenses.  Hence John was making changes the moment he was elected to the role. 

The other element of timing is of course related to the furore of MP’s expenses.  It is a poor sense of timing and sullies the public’s mood still further.  Can the Speaker not read the will of the people?  Surely he could have waited until after the election before making changes…ensuring he is still in the role of Speaker.  Of course ideally he would pay for these changes himself, like we would all have to!

We have a very mobile society.  People go to where jobs are nowadays.  Some companies provide relocation assistance, most don’t.  Hence, Bercow claiming for these changes to help his kids at the cost to the tax payer, wont wash with many.  Can you imagine relocating for a new job and telling your new boss, I need some extra money to make my house child friendly?  You would be laughed out the room.  So why different for Bercow?  This is public daylight robbery.  Dishonourable actions!……

So, I take literally David Cameron’s public test ie would these expenses feel right to the tax payer?  Do they make sense?  No….they stink.  First off he has received a significant pay rise and has a higher net disposable income.  His new apartment is rent free.  He will state he has the costs of running his current apartment just down the road to maintain.  But given he has decided to live at the House he will not incur the costs he previously would ie electricity, wear & tear / depreciation etc!. 

Let’s turn to value for money.  Is he spending tax payer’s money well?  Well, the Daily Telegraph reports a receipt for £7,524.30 for a new sofa and window seat cushions for the drawing room.  Hhhhhmmmm.  That does not feel so good to me.  Perhaps John should make use of the sale at DFS and he could buy a lovely Clarion 4 Seater Leather Corner Manual Double Recliner for £998, as below.  Great for the kids as well as the seats recline.  Of course leather, just as John likes!  But guess what John.  Given your new payrise, you have more take home pay and hence like the rest of the population, buy it yourself.

Remember these apartments are hardly in a state of decrepitation.  Speaker Martin spent £724,000 on refurbishment between 2000-2008, plus £992,000 on the garden and improved security.

So what else is Bercow claiming for?

£3,600 has been spent on fitting locks to the windows and having workmen check that access ducts in the wall panelling are lockable or childproof.

A further £3,880 has been spent on planters to provide additional child safety on the terrace.

One of the two studies is to become a playroom, with £1,087 spent on redecorating it. The note suggests putting washable paint over existing paper.

For the drawing room, a £6,764.30 sofa suite has been ordered, together with window seat cushions costing £760.

In the kitchen, a new large clock is being provided at a cost of £80, together with a noticeboard and blackboard, costing £86.73, a hob guard at £47.88 and an additional high-level pulley clothes airer.

The utility room is being remodelled at a cost of £497 in order to provide more hanging space. The floor in the room, and in the bathroom, is being replaced.

A double bed is being bought from Ikea for the housekeeper’s apartment for £479.

It is understood that a further £20,000 has been allocated to cover general maintenance.

John needs to desperately raise his game and stop taking the British taxpayer for a ride.  I was heavily critical of Speaker Martin.  But boy, I am wishing he was still in office.  Speaker Bercow has so far not brought any honour to the great office of Speaker…….

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Today’s Speaker’s Procession!

Posted on July 20th, 2009 in Politics | 2,953 Comments »

TBB was at the Palace of Westminster today and had some lovely food at the House restaurant.

Taking a break from lunch I witnessed the Speakers Procession obviously led by our good friend Mr Bercow.  The cry of ‘Speakaaaaaarrrrr’, echoed through the corridors of Power and out popped John and his Procession.

Not that I want to have a pop at John every time I write about him, I have to say that as a traditionalist I was bitterly disappointed at the procession and his conduct in it.  His accompanying procession was immaculately attired and in-step.  However, Speaker Bercow was obviously out of step…like a school disco where 1 kid always dances to the off beat.  As stated before, he is not attired in the centuries old garments that give the sense of tradition that foreign tourists and our people love to see.  But Bercow was in his Marks & Spencer suit….having the audacity to wink at MP’s he knew.

Latest reports are that Bercow wants his Deputies to be elected and an end to the Speakers Procession.  Given the lack of interest he showed in the Procession today, (he looked thoroughly pissed off and bored), it won’t be long before he ends another great tradition.

I am sorry to say, I expect more pomp from the Speakers Procession.  Or am I wrong in believing and enjoying centuries old traditions?

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